What?

Sensible centrists move in herds.

Man, I wonder why a government actively accelerating a crash that will likely dwarf 2008 might also be introducing draconian laws on protest, ID and juryless trials?

Yeah, whatever you say bud. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-poli...

As punishment for the nation voting the way it did in May, only Starmer will be allowed to watch the finals in his gooning box. The rest of us aren't worthy.

Did I hallucinate Catherine West? Does anyone else remember her appearing for 12 hours and then turning into dust?

This man is a snake oil salesman who was so shit he came behind Ed fucking Balls in a leadership election.

Andy Burnham has enthusiastically contributed to that path for decades, but is now pretending otherwise because of electoral expediency. Don't like this utter charlatan freak treat you like an idiot and lie to your face like this.

We must make sure Burnham shithouses his way back into parliament so that he: - WON'T get rid of the fiscal rules trapping the UK in permanent decline. - WON'T change the fucked electoral system. - WILL do something about VAR, something he has absolutely no power to do. Nice one lads.

Don't do it lads. Don't engage with these perverts.

There are credible reasons why the Greens shouldn't stand in Makerfield. Because the Labour Party needs a do-over is not one of them. It's not other parties jobs to help Labour resolve an internal party fuck up.

They would never. Not a single chance. Because Labour are ordained by god, and anything to the left of them is entirely illegitimate. In fact, political parties other than the Noble Tory that we constantly concede policy to should be illegal.

I wonder if Caroline Lucas is going to learn from being made to look like a complete idiot? I'm going to say no.

There will be zero, zero difference between Starmer and Burnham. Especially if they both commit to made up fiscal rules and are terrified of the bond markets. He will be just as unpopular as Starmer in 12 months.

Is Russ our Will Stancil? Historians will debate.

This is my political purity test.

When did the Harry Potter films start coming out? Because I have a theory.

If I elected an MP, and then they resigned less than half way through the term for no other reason than internal party politics, I wouldn't vote for their replacement. I'm not sure this is a factor Labour Together have considered.

it would actually be antisemitic of the Green Party to run in Makerfield

I'm a Green supporter but I don't think they should participate in elections. Too risky.

Oh no, Matt, the dumbest Green supporter in Manchester, please come back!

If the Greens stand aside whenever Labour demands, they're not a real party and deserve to be irrelevant. They've done this repeatedly for decades and it's benefitted them exactly zero.

I'm beginning to suspect nobody in the UK knows what psychodrama means.

Oh my god, they're already pivoting to "Well of course Burnham wouldn't do anything *this* term!"

He's already fucked you over babe. 24 hours.

He's rowing back on what the dumbest people on here have wishcast onto him before he's even the official candidate for the by-election. You people are the dumbest morons on earth.

Why is the Labour Party completely Fucking It™ my problem?

I think the bit a lot of people here are refusing to acknowledge is that Josh Simons is standing down for absolutely no reason other than internal Labour fuckery. There is no reason for this by election to be happening, Labour are doing this for no reason. Them making demands looks and is stupid.

Labour already have the seat, and their MP is resigning for no reason. All of this is entirely unnecessary internal party fighting. They're setting up a by-election they're probably going to lose for no reason. So why are they owed the seat?

I bet the hosts were shouting "when you think about it, we're all actually winners" like last year when Israel got their massive points total. Embarrassing.

Live update: they're immediately falling for it. Who, you ask? Exactly the morons you're thinking would fall for it. Think dog avatar.

👁️👁️

FBPE sorts warming up to get their pants pulled down one more time.

Labour wouldn't, for a second, consider stepping aside for The Greens under any circumstances. Start from there.

“Why don’t you post under your real name?”

This is apparently at risk though because the Green Party, who they have consistently attacked for being left wing, dare to participate in a free and fair election for the seat which one of the Labour MPs responsible for this mess vacated to allow a stitch up for The Return Of The King (Northern).

These people exist in the wild.

I sometimes feel insane that we don't constantly talk about the time Labour gave a black guy who was poised to unseat Nigel Farage the sack because he was a better poster than Keir Starmer

It's cool how all the Labour sorts screaming about the danger of Farage conveniently forget their party just let him into parliament. I wondered at the time why they did that, I'm pretty sure we know why now.

The smartest Labour supporter: "hmmm yes, this annual protest about the displacement of Palestinians is exactly the same as a far right march of intimidation and violence 🤓"

The entitlement of Labour to be like "yeah we totally fucked it with this PM, we demand you let our special boy back into parliament so we can have another go." Like, you were all ripping the Tories for this shit. Amazing how fast you've flipped to agreeing with them.

So, IF the NEC allows him to stand, and he wins the by-election, and he then wins the leadership, he will then magically take a party addicted to pleasing the far right (he's backed by Labour Together who thinks this is a good thing) and beat the far right? Where has this line of logic come from?

Funny how "Progressive Alliance" discourse only bubbles up under very particular conditions.

I'm sorry your magic comfort Labour MP fucked the leadership election and ran away to be mayor of Manchester. Explain to me why Labour Together, who created Starmer, are backing him?

"Please stand down so we can try to save our rancid party." Wow, how can one argue with that?

The Labour party has whipped up antisemitic abuse at Polanski and Islamaphobic hate towards Ali. Why would the Greens help labour in any way?

Lucas is the wettest person on planet earth and the main reason why the Greens never polled above 4% until she finally fucked off. Country before party. Bite me. Starmer was committed to changing the voting system, how did that work out?

This man is completely unfit to be Prime Minister and it's a disgrace that he's been in place as long as he has.

Free this woman immediately.

It's so obvious these dorks treat politics like sports. Vapid nonsense while the country and population suffer through the 5th decade of neoliberal collapse.