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Trying to sort bridges for the panorama project. Telford suggests an unlisted bridge at Thomas Lane Broadgreen. Usual problem of different naming conventions and do they line up (using Thomas lane to Childwall Lane as test)?? Does OS show a level crossing? A very esoteric discussion board, I know

1. Re; recent reconstruction of Wapping Railway station. Next door in Crosbie St. an appalling run of court houses (see also earlier illustration of Vauxhall). Together, a very small part of Liverpool's Victorian 'lethal city'. Completely unimaginable cruelty, deliberately inflicted.

The 4.30 from Liverpool (the Liverpool & Manchester Railway). The Rocket and first class carriages, passing Broad Green and Thingwall Hall; with the sun setting on the old - now divided - agrarian landscape.

We have done a lot of work on our map of structures on the Liverpool and Manchester Railway. www.google.com/maps/d/edit?...

Thanks @vrsimility.bsky.social for comment and excellent blog on the subject. Re the 1830 warehouse - revision certainly, but discussion board attached.

Explanatory key for the Wapping Goods Station reconstruction - see previous post.

Wapping goods station off park Lane, 1835. Queens dock and the vibrant, diverse 'sailortown' behind. The station is in a cutting to access the tunnel - top left- from to Edge Hill 1 mile plus away. No locomotives in the town; trains ran by gravity to the dock - cable (steam engine driven) back.

Manchester Liverpool Road station - version 4; numerous corrections and addition of roof over passenger departures (almost imperceptible) thanks Ant D and Vrs.

Delighted to have made the front cover of the Liverpool History Society Journal 2026. Showing my reconstruction.of 1868 Lime Street (part of an illustrated journal article.). Thanks to all at LHS.

Is this another field bridge after W2? Telford identifies it as such with legend 'road at Ropers Farm'

Happy Birthday to Sister Rosetta Tharpe, and a massive thank you to her for inventing rock and roll She was born on March 20th, 1915

Re earlier post. Revision of legend correcting my regular mis-spelling of stationary, thanks for not mentioning it

Finally, in the Liverpool Road Manchester project. Two info graphics summarising the story of the Liverpool and Manchester railway terminus. Am I the last person to realise Hunts Bank station (Victoria station) was briefly a terminus of the L&MR (1844/5) prior to the GJR taking it over. So....

Re; last post. Studies of three key Stephenson locomotives in that early 5 year period ( ala Bury/Shaw), establishing classes and standards for many decades to come. A remarkable journey over such a short time.

Continuing the study of L&MR locomotives, a one-pager info sheet focusing on the first 5 years, dominated somewhat by Stephenson. (post Fanny Kemble).

Always an interesting stage in the discovery process. Roughing out the landscape around Wapping station; Liverpool dock terminus of the Liverpool and Manchester Railway; c. 1830. So few sources here, so many questions.

First draft of an illustration showing two of 8 construction shafts or 'eyes' along the Wapping tunnel in Liverpool - during its construction in 1827/8. A plan shows the location of all 8 shafts (see R H G Thomas p39).

L&MR Panorama study, Back in Liverpool for research oin the Wapping tunnel and a reconstruction of Wapping station itself. Initially trying to establish the position of shafts or eyes used to build the tunnel. Bear with me as always @vrsimility.bsky.social and @lmrailway.bsky.social A start....

The next section of the L&MR bridge study - block 2b- V2. Including the mystery bridge at Whiston, subject of previous post.

Still baffled by the Whiston 1 bridge issue. Discussion board attached and grateful for any comments, opinions, musings, insults etc. as always. Find it hard to believe there was no station (or halt??) at Whiston (until 1990??). Originally wondered if this was ex 'Bottom of Whiston Incline' .

@lmrailway.bsky.social Hi Paul. re Whiston bridges -1830. The bridge list shows Whistons 1 and 2; both stone. The OS map for 1840odd seems to show a level crossing, two wooden bridges and bridge 2. A later bridge roughly takes the place of the western most wooden bridge; struggling to see bridge 1.

Liverpool Road Station Version 3. Multiple amendments (stonework, building details, street furniture, horses etc). Still tbc for Version 4 - a) coal-drop detail, b) departures roof, c) arrivals exit. Thanks very much all for comments etc.

Liverpool and Manchester Railway, panorama study (features) block 2A - Ainsworths Bridge to Lee's Bridge number 1; numbered 8 to 20 on original list. Thanks to @lmrailway.bsky.social

Thanks very much for your analysis etc. around the coaldrops Vrs and I am just catching up. I had discharge into the Station, but had another look (attached) and wondered what might be best guess re discharge direction/design. Should I just be showing a blank wall??!! Anybody else got owt?

A message from Eliza Carthy about her dad, #MartinCarthy

Thanks all for comments; really grateful. Very interesting stuff (not the least of which shunting and coal drop arrangements!) which I am looking at. Re arrivals passengers see attached... @lmrailway.bsky.social @hillsider45.bsky.social @vrsimility.bsky.social @railwayhobbit.bsky.social

Re: Previous. A slightly better res and intensity.

Reconstruction of Liverpool Road station 1836, version 2. For comment. Very grateful for input and resources from @lmrailway.bsky.social @hillsider45.bsky.social @vrsimility.bsky.social @railwayhobbit.bsky.social etc. Part of a wider project to map the L&MR 1830s

Continuing preliminary studies of the L&MR infrastructure c. 1835. Lea Green to Newton. Only now beginning to appreciate the enormity and genius of the undertaking at that time and its miraculous delivery

Manchester weekend. Visited Liverpool Road station for 1st time on a day apparently like 15.9.1830 by courtesy of a family trip to the amazing Hockney experience at the Factory surprisingly close by.

I attach a discussion board containing a speculative study of the coal drops at the Eastern end of the Liverpool Road terminus, Manchester as they may have looked in 1835/6. I'll keep researching but does anybody know of any images or descriptions that might help? Any other interpretations? Thanks

Block 1/bridges (panorama project). I've seen the TT Bury picture described as Whiston incline/Sutton incline/Broad green to Roby. If here, then Bury is standing on no. 1 Park's bridge?? (next one - no.2- is brick; though could you get that height and are distant ones in the Olive Mt. cutting?).

@lmrailway.bsky.social Just in the process of roughing out bridges in adv of the panorama project. Wondering how to interpret the bridge list P (thanks so much) re dates and google map etc. E.g. the Whiston run has some odd things (and Spring Lane?) unless I am misinterpreting? (usually).....

A further infographic. The 4 branch railways connecting to the L&MR -1830s. This, together with the diagrams of L&MR features and the station survey (see previous), pulls together information from many sources and will underpin the planned panorama of the line. Thanks to the L&MR trust. Comments? Ta

L&MR station list infographic based on V2 research table - previous post

Revised list of L&MR stations (1830s).

@lmrailway.bsky.social Hi P. Just revisiting some work we did re the stations/stops in the 1830s. Thought it worth settling a list plus a couple of puzzling things as attached. Would be glad of a view if you get time. Cheers

Just on the design of successive cisterns. Attached discussion board attempts a summary of the position: following a probable red herring. I think currently at least, that the water tank is pretty much as shown by Bury throughout the 1830s - until later works/expansion cause a new build.

Discussion board re: a potential reverse view of the Liverpool Road arrivals station. Possibly v arcane problem, but views, images, opinions, ridicule, superior knowledge etc. v welcome as ever.

A further speculative study. (Lpooll Rd. terminus, Manchester): how the arrivals station may have looked in a) 1835/6 and b) 1837/8. Assuming the latter an open fronted building at 2nd floor (2 colonnades). Extensive carriage wharf inside; Many stables, stores, kitchens below. Pedestrian exit??

Developing views on the viaduct and possible 1836 arrivals position (below). A mistake to place arrivals here?? - scores of passengers, tons of luggage, road carriages; unless there was some easy way off. Would a Water street footbridge fit, or indeed help? Did the S slope serve only the cistern?

@railwayhobbit.bsky.social @lmrailway.bsky.social @vrsimility.bsky.social might be useful to share this, admittedly rudimentary (between walks) sketch for next 1835 version. Some assumptions obvs. Not sure how the early arrivals colonnade fits in the space. Assume still crossed the lines??

A cloudless Windermere day

At the Manchester end of the Liverpool & Manchester Railway. A sketch giving the context for the Liverpool Road terminus. Mid 1830s.

Liverpool & Manchester Railway. A description of how the rail-track or 'permanent way' developed.

@lmrailway.bsky.social . A new project to illustrate all 31 miles of the L&MR with information panels along the way. First steps.All aboard..

Continuing research into the Edge Hill engine station, an approximation of the rope winding mechanisms that operated through the Wapping tunnel for dock-bound goods wagons (gravity out/cable back).

Re: previous post. Edge Hill Engine Station - mid 1830s. How trains were detached from locomotives and rope-hauled to Crown Street station.

Continuing research into the Liverpool and Manchester Railway, a new and more historically accurate version of the Edge Hill Engine station illustration - mid 1830s. Showing the connection between it and Crown Street Passenger station - top right - via a 290 yard tunnel.