It is absolutely crucial to your education that you learn the difference between mass and weight once again in college and we will just call it critical thinking in order to charge you a shit ton of money to learn the same thing a second time.

The craziest thing about this post is that there are hundreds of people piling on to talk about the importance of poetry when 21st century poets are selling like double-digit numbers of books. Absolutely dire field to publish in. 99% of these guys aren't reading poetry! It's all poseur shit.

Oh my god who elected them then?

God, Americans are so gullible. How did anybody ever vote for this? How did anyone ever want this?

Lawyers are the type of people who when you bring up the prospect of being physically unsafe, the only think they can imagine it means is the risk of prosecution.

The attorney is because they don’t have safety and should have a right to Safety. Someone needs to be able to be their voice in the courthouse with the ability to file motions on their behalf. To be involved in the arraignment, plea, trial, and sentencing processes. Right now the victim is IGNORED.

We could have had Harris

What is the best country in the world in which to live right now and is it capitalist?

Ivy League

Agree!

ofc what she's actually looking for is... a British university degree

Ahhh!

This is interesting.

This is, in a roundabout way, my argument about Gavin Newsom. Attention is the economy of politics now. Garnering it, leveraging it, earning more of it. Trump won because of it, and we can learn the lesson, or not. It’s not ideas that motivate people, it’s drama, narrative, & endless aggrandizement.

Remember: There is nothing natural or inevitable about extreme inequality; it’s the result of an economic system that values wealth and power over human dignity and justice. It doesn't have to be this way.

It is entirely justified for the OP in this whole chain to be mad that they had to pay money to study something whose relevance to the purpose they are going to college for is *at best* tangential. Part of the underlying problem is that people go to college for any number of reasons and ...

I'm gonna be honest, I always think this kind of "literature actually teaches you essential skills to be a diving instructor" stuff is a real stretch. Poetic composition is a thing in itself; I do not think it is a particularly good way to learn empathy or communication.

I was feeling a bit sarcastic when I gave this response to a rude person earlier

Middle school history: learn about the revolutionary war. High school history: learn about the revolutionary war. College history: learn about the revolutionary war but with special cream sauce so you know it really sticks

I have… less empathy.

something you have to understand about Trump & his weird comments about the economy is that the dude hasn't paid for anything like a normal person in decades - never pumps gas, never buys groceries - so he's completely & utterly out of touch with what life is like for most of us

I did get about 4 or 5 folks telling me that criminal justice should not be a major today. That’s a perspective I have never heard before. To skeptics of it, my sincere inquiry is what makes a legitimate major? What criteria qualify?

I’m convinced Trump wants to kill as many people as possible

Should there be a mandatory minimum sentence for kidnapping and masturbating on a woman? Should it be legal for the judge to allow probation for that?

Since this is a comment on something I said, I will say for the record that I’m not advocating for an à la carte model in postsecondary education. I expressed some criticism of what I see as the overbroadness of the general education curriculum, and I’d prefer a model more like college in the UK.

Go read some poems.

This is a insane way to describe community college, sir

Ah hah!

While it's easy for a Professor at an elite private research university to say that students are not customers that really rings false to students at non research public colleges that mainly serve as a mix of university and trade school.

Yeah, and to be fair, some people who disagree with my original point have actually taught me a few things in those comments. I did learn a little more about the value of poetry to other social and professional skills for example. Not everyone who is arguing with me has an invalid point!

That should’ve been a signal to you that I do have a pretty well rounded education and that I’m making a discreet point about curriculum as opposed to the value of education in its totality to humanity or individuals.

This is wild but the textbook is literally titled sound and sense I assume this is not a coincidence lol

It is for me. And I will prove it.

I do not believe in the jury system as a method of judicial decision-making. I believe a room full of amateurs is literally the problem with the system. We need to adopt the inquisitorial system that other countries use. The focus needs to be more on the law than the performance of the lawyer.

This person is getting ragged on, but this is a logical conclusion when a society treats education like a purchasable commodity. In doing so you change the motivations and relationship the student has with education and in effect dampen if not destroy the vast benefit education has on an individual.

I support and defend the robust model of education but I understand what you are saying, and some people are being unkind to you. Time in school is time spent paying a LOT of money for school and either unable or less able to work for income. So the "extra classes" are a hindrance and a burden.

In my opinion, a legal case should be about the law instead of the concept of powerful rhetorical ability. It should be about the law instead of performance art. Making it about these other things cheapens the entire question of whether someone broke the law and whether society achieved justice.

So here’s like a real question. If the criminal justice field uses chemistry all the time then why isn’t there any chemistry in my classes that I take for criminal justice within the major? The only chemistry I have encountered is in the general education science class.

This is a frustration of mine. In my opinion, legal advocacy should be based on law as opposed to ARTISTIC PHRASES. Because it means if U have a lawyer who is bad at telling a story, but correct on the law, u could still lose. This is unfair. The court should use the LAW in the decision-making.

This definitely counts as the most interesting response I received from all of this attention.

I think what you're unearthing here is the primary way that the lack of meaningful social safety nets in this country undercuts the utopian vision of education as expAnsive (not expensive, though that's true) rather than vocational 1/9

Imagine if legal decisions were made on the law instead of whatever this is supposed to be. Imagine if we could make legal decisions without having to know poetry in order to persuade juries. Isn’t this an illustration and admission that lawyering is mostly about something other than the law?

you are right... school should be 100 percent free (incl. living and stip.) The velocity of a program should be as positive or as close to zero as desired or required, allowable by program requirements. If only we had the will to truly care for our youngers. Its honestly heartbreaking.

Probably unpopular take: THIS IS NOT WRONG. Note that what's being criticized is a COMPOSITION class. It's not a literary criticism class. Time spent on literary criticism could be spent on argument. Less time reading Sylvia Plaith, more reading Martin Luther King, who was a master of argument.

I assure you that I have a job.

I understand OPs frustrations here, and I think it reveals one of the prevailing debates around American higher education: is the university a center of knowledge production for its own sake, or a job-training center for a specific profession?

If I’m not a customer then why do I pay so much? I’m definitely a customer and as a customer I have certain expectations for the service rendered.

i suspect that for a bunch of the men in this group it will be a short step from this to whining that they aren't attractive to women