I wonder if they would be willing to view these findings through the lens of R2R and Value Saturation (R2R-VS?....any pro-acronym peeps?) These inconclusive results may be something more....

This is fascinating. Makes wonder fantastically about the purpose and relevance to cross kingdom communication and interface evolution.

While I Patiently wait to capture seeds.

@nadwgab.bsky.social Wondering if you could shed any light on this? I found it a few years ago in the woods southern OH. I assumed it was bog iron. I have had it sitting by my koi pond ever since.

On getting paper rejected (not the first and not the last): A journal about consciousness is using unconscious algorithms to determine whether conscious beings are thinking authentically enough. Can you taste the irony?

Where Beautiful Loop goes wrong: they think these conditions could work in any substrate—silicon, quantum computers. They're essentially proposing consciousness = sophisticated information processing meeting three criteria. This misses the entire point. www.sciencedirect.com/science/arti...

Solvable Model Supports R2R? RNN that generates complex cyclic behavior from simple 2D latent dynamics provides an example of how: Simple recursive loops (implicit recursion) can generate complex phenomenal patterns (explicit recursive experience) through inevitable architectural constraints.

I am old school and enjoy physical copies!

Rather than consciousness creating reality, biological reality creates the structural conditions that make consciousness inevitable. Interestingly enough Friston's predictive processing is actually evidence for this: it shows how biological constraints drive recursive prediction architectures.

Recognize that the ground you're standing on is also what makes falling possible. But without that ground, there would be no standing at all. The biological stakes that create our capacity to think, feel, and value anything are the same stakes that make us mortal.

And here is your sophisticated implicit recursive system as defined in R2R. Current AI lacks recursion as a construct. It can not think about its thinking.

Is there any doubt that Individual processors integrate to achieve capabilities beyond the sum of parts? Understanding biological imperatives is crucial - they're not just constraints on intelligence, they're the generative foundation from which genuine awareness, meaning, and consciousness emerge.

Hermida/Ladyman's case studies support R2R: they show physical laws operating through biological organization at different recursive depths. Low-depth phenomena (protein folding, water transport) allow physical explanations. Higher recursive depth requires biological frameworks.

These genetic circuits may validate key R2R predictions: genuine learning emerges from molecular recursion with authentic biological stakes, not neural complexity.

Does Asgard chromatin show genuine predictive behavior - preparing for environmental changes before they occur based on learned temporal patterns - rather than just sophisticated but reactive responses? If the former...could be onset of temporogenesis as defined in R2R?

Another great paper that supports temporogenesis as defined in R2R.

There's something almost surreal about biological beings arguing that biology doesn't matter for authentic stakes. It's like fish debating whether water is necessary for swimming while they're actively breathing through their gills.

There is a confusion at the heart of discussions about AI consciousness that reveals something profound about what it means to be alive. 1/n

Current AI systems use implicit recursive patterns that work locally but fail when challenged. True intelligence requires explicit recursion as defined in the R2R framework the ability to represent and manipulate your own cognitive processes.

New DoC research shows mind wandering persists in brain-injured patients despite no external responses. This supports R2R's core thesis: consciousness emerges inevitably from recursive biological processes, not external behavior. Even damaged brains maintain internal recursive loops.

Energys behavior emerges from geometric principles...

This really resonates with Jeremy England's work on dissipation-driven adaptation and provides support for R2R. The paper demonstrates that when energy homeostasis fails, it manifests as specific felt experiences. Figure 1 shows Value Saturation in action. www.researchgate.net/publication/...

Curious!

New PRX Life paper by Bartlett et al. introduces "semantic information" - info that systems use to maintain viability and resist dissolution. This directly parallels Value Saturation's insight about how biological stakes transform information processing into meaningful experience. 1/5

When the first autopoietic systems emerged, entropy transformed from a neutral statistical tendency into death - the first meaningful event in universe history.Every subsequent development - from cells to brains to consciousness - inherits and amplifies these same fundamental stakes. 1/4

Ah! The common thread continues to reveal itself. Geological fractality may be a deep structural principle underlying the emergence of mind from matter. The geological fractal pattern isn't just influential - it's constitutive of the material conditions that make biological recursion possible.

Consciousness is the latest solution in a billion-year chain of symbiogenetic integration challenges. It's not mysterious - it's the logical continuation of the same organizational principles that have been driving biological complexity since the first cells formed.

This bioRxiv paper is HUGE! WHOLISTIC method images ALL cells in a living vertebrate simultaneously - revealing body-wide circuits we never knew existed. Perfect validation for recursive intelligence theory (R2R): billions of cellular processors coordinating as one unified system!

Bonnont et al. research provides a scalable empirical method for identifying TEMPOROGENESIS (as defined in R2R) components across any biological system with rhythmic gene expression.

The “hard problem” of consciousness asks: why does information processing feel like anything? Maybe that’s the wrong question. Consciousness isn’t mysterious emergence—it’s what happens when survival itself is at stake. 1/5

Life’s molecular asymmetry — why biology chooses one “handedness” over another — remains one of science’s great puzzles. My new pre print explores how this fundamental constraint may ground consciousness itself. www.researchgate.net/publication/...

Biological grounding means operating under real thermodynamic constraints where failure = death, not just being made of biological materials. Macrophages develop sophisticated responses because they face authentic survival stakes with physical limits, not abstract optimization.

ATP synthase research validates R2R's early stages: energy constraints drive specific molecular architectures (~30 pN nm torque thresholds), compartmentalization is thermodynamically necessary not optional, and progressive chemical recursion achieves 70-100% efficiency.

A Nature study tests IIT vs GNWT and finds both lacking. R2R reframes this: integration and ignition are recursive steps, but true consciousness arises only when self-models saturate with survival stakes. Value-bound recursion unifies the field. www.nature.com/articles/s41...

Wound care in chimpanzees! Like chimpanzees in Central Africa, scientists have now shown that East African chimpanzees also apply flying insects to their own and each other's wounds. This is likely some form of medication, which is more widespread than we thought. 🧪 www.nature.com/articles/s41...

Consciousness is inevitable. When biological systems develop explicit recursive self-modeling under survival stakes, they become trapped in their own perspective. You can't escape experiencing what it's like to recursively evaluate yourself when your life depends on getting it right.

Biological intelligence isn't just intelligence that happens to be in biological substrate - it emerged through a specific, unrepeatable historical process of genuine existential struggle over deep time. Every aspect of biological cognition carries the "fingerprints" of that evolutionary heritage.

Link to R2R Framework kwnsfk27.r.eu-west-1.awstrack.me/L0/https:%2F...

New Nature paper validates the R2R framework's core prediction. Powner's RNA-peptide chemistry demonstrates how life emerges through predictable organizational phase transitions. Chemical recursion creates authentic biological stakes. 1/3 www.nature.com/articles/s41...

R2R framework reveals intelligence evolves through 4 biological transitions via symmetry-breaking bursts—very similar pattern found in new saltative branching research showing 99% of evolution happens in rapid spikes at tree forks, not gradual change. Biology jumps, doesn't crawl.

The Sudden Surges That Forge Evolutionary Trees 🧪

WIP paper states that consciousness is inevitable. It's less "How did we get consciousness?" and more "Of course we got consciousness - how could we not?" This is a rough draft/pre print. www.researchgate.net/publication/...

New Nature research validates R2R framework: unicellular organisms already had the molecular toolkit for multicellularity BEFORE making the leap. Complex integration emerges from pre-existing recursive capabilities, not new innovations.

Recursive Biological Naturalism: consciousness inevitably emerges when bio systems develop explicit recursive self-modeling under survival stakes, creating value-saturated representations that transform mere experience into felt subjective experience through thermodynamically grounded processes.

New Nature Physics paper shows cell cytoskeletons exhibit self-organized criticality with "cytoquakes" - mechanical stress avalanches following power laws.

HisTrac-seq provides the empirical window into temporogenesis and recursive self-modeling that the R2R framework needs to move from theoretical prediction to experimental validation! Check out R2R: kwnsfk27.r.eu-west-1.awstrack.me/L0/https:%2F...

Is there anything simpler than a self-maintaining compartmentalized system (protocell) that converts statistical mechanics to biologic imperatives? #devbio #science

The Hard Problem asks "why do physical processes give rise to subjective experience?" I am asking, "How could it not?" Phenomenality becomes inevitable when biological systems achieve explicit recursive self-modeling under genuine survival stakes. #consky #philsci #philsky #recursiveintelligence

Panpsychism spreads consciousness too thin, making it indistinguishable from mere matter. R2R grounds it in the biological and recursive processes that give rise to genuine subjectivity.

New APS findings show that chemical systems far from equilibrium spontaneously form recursive loops. This exemplifies the Reaction stage of R2R—where autocatalysis and self-organization establish the groundwork for life, intelligence, and ultimately phenomenality.